I like to see rules thet i can apply to anywere, even within my own game worlds. thet are not much relaited to Cerilia
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teloft writes:
> I like to see rules thet i can apply to anywere, even within my
> own game worlds. thet are not much relaited to Cerilia
This appears to be one of the goals of the BRCS Playtest since a bloodline
is no longer required to control a domain.
Gary
It would a good aim to see the bloodline rules as an add-on to the domain rules, so you don’t need to have a bloodline to rule a kingdom, but obviously a blooded ruler will be far more successful than an unblooded regent due to his ability to spend RP.
Originally posted by teloft@Oct 30 2003, 02:03 PM
[b] I like to see rules thet i can apply to anywere, even within my own game worlds. thet are not much relaited to Cerilia
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Check out Chap 8 of the BRCS - playtest for more on how to export these rules.
I think if you allow the ability for Lieutenants to add extra court actions there should be some sort of limit on the amount of Lieutenants you can have. And if there already exists a rule for that I’m sorry I just have not ran across it yet.
Originally posted by OsricIlien@Nov 1 2003, 02:22 AM
I think if you allow the ability for Lieutenants to add extra court actions there should be some sort of limit on the amount of Lieutenants you can have. And if there already exists a rule for that I’m sorry I just have not ran across it yet.
already covered earlier in the thread by Raesene Andu. You only get a max of 1 additional court action per month from lueitenants.
Originally posted by The Jew@Nov 1 2003, 04:23 PM
already covered earlier in the thread by Raesene Andu. You only get a max of 1 additional court action per month from lueitenants.
The reasoning behind this… just in case you were all wondering… is that the lieutenant who gets the bonus action for the action round is the regent’s designated second-in-command for that action. He may have a large number of lieutenants, but he can only designate one to act as his chief lieutenant for the round. The other lieutenants are off performing character actions, either assisting the regent on an adventure of doing something of their own.
The main reason I introduced this rule was to remove the need for a court for wizards and particularly poor regents, such a regents with only 1 or 2 small holdings. Instead you get a lieutenant and gain the bonus 1 court action/month. Realm regents, those who rule provinces, are the ones who mainly need a big court and can usually afford one. Guild and temple regents can afford one, but don’t necessarily need it. Source regents occassionally need a court action, but generally can’t afford a court. The other option was allowing regents to borrow court actions, but this is really open to abuse, so I settled on the lieutenant giving the regent the bonus court action. It also helped to set down exactly what a lieutenant does for a regent.
I’ll also put some flavour text in the court rules about the various different types of courts. For example, the court of a powerful cleric is going to be very different that the traditional court of a baron or duke. It will do the same thing though. This will have effect on the game whatsoever, just a little bit of flavour.
The reasoning behind this… just in case you were all wondering… is that the lieutenant who gets the bonus action for the action round is the regent’s designated second-in-command for that action. He may have a large number of lieutenants, but he can only designate one to act as his chief lieutenant for the round. The other lieutenants are off performing character actions, either assisting the regent on an adventure of doing something of their own.
This brings up an issue, then: does a regent only gain the extra court action in a round where a Lt. is not also performing the round’s domain action? A Lt. performing the domain action might be viewed as the “chief lieutenant” for the round…
So perhaps it needs to be firmly written that only one Lieutenant may be used on a domain level each month if this limitation is what you had in mind.
Personally, I have no problem with using multiple Lt.'s for different actions in the same month…the Spymaster doing an Espionage action (Domain action, or Court Action if using a spy network), the Warden training troops to higher standards (Court Action), and the High Chamberlain agitating to improve the local attitude toward the regent (Domain Action).
The other side of the coin (the permissive, loose rules side) is that the above actions could be done with a Level 2 Court (1 Court Action per round, +1 for a Lt.) and a spy network, leaving the regent free to pursue his own character action that month!
Originally posted by Osprey@Nov 1 2003, 07:00 PM
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This brings up an issue, then: does a regent only gain the extra court action in a round where a Lt. is not also performing the round’s domain action? A Lt. performing the domain action might be viewed as the “chief lieutenant” for the round…
So perhaps it needs to be firmly written that only one Lieutenant may be used on a domain level each month if this limitation is what you had in mind.
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If the lueitenant is performing the domain action, then the regent should be able to perform the extra court action.
Yes, it is in need os some flavor for the clerics, a cleric usualy dosent have his court at the local inn lol 
well if you have few lt on payroll. you efectively have a court. but without the costs of having big partys, and balls.
the court givse actons for there are people there to do stuff for you. but also thay give reputation bonus. while the Lt. can do most of thees things. thay dont gain the rep modifyer.
using a lt. could also be more risky
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Originally posted by Osprey@Nov 2 2003, 03:30 AM
[b] This brings up an issue, then: does a regent only gain the extra court action in a round where a Lt. is not also performing the round’s domain action? A Lt. performing the domain action might be viewed as the “chief lieutenant” for the round…
So perhaps it needs to be firmly written that only one Lieutenant may be used on a domain level each month if this limitation is what you had in mind.
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The regent only gains the extra court action when his “chief lieutenant” is free. So if his lieutenant is doing a domain action instead of the regent then he loses the bonus court action, but he is free to personally take charge of a court or character action instead.
I’m just trying to find a way to set all this down so it doesn’t cause any more consfusion. I think maybe some examples will help.
[b]Personally, I have no problem with using multiple Lt.'s for different actions in the same month…the Spymaster doing an Espionage action (Domain action, or Court Action if using a spy network), the Warden training troops to higher standards (Court Action), and the High Chamberlain agitating to improve the local attitude toward the regent (Domain Action).
The other side of the coin (the permissive, loose rules side) is that the above actions could be done with a Level 2 Court (1 Court Action per round, +1 for a Lt.) and a spy network, leaving the regent free to pursue his own character action that month![/b]
This is something that is going to be worked into the rules for courts. As the regent’s skills are only effective when he is personally running an action, the skills of his individual lieutenants or advisors can be used to boost the success chance of court actions. So it will make sense to have a wide range of useful advisors or lieutenants, assuming you can afford them.
To sort of summarise the rules of court action.
The level of your court decides how many court actions you get.
If you have at least 1 lieutenant then you get a bonus court action (1/month, but can be performed by any of your lieutenants)
You may hire lieutenants (varying cost) or advisors (0.25 - 0.5 GB/turn) for their skills which you can use for court actions. So you can have a spymaster, a chamberlain, a general, and so on. Lieutenants may perform domain actions for the regent, advisors can only perform court actions.
Lieutenants may perform domain actions for the regent, advisors can only perform court actions.
I like this distinction. It’s a big difference not only for the maintenance (which I would make recomendations for, but not set in stone - skilled advisors could easily command 1 GB per season or more!), but for the fact that an advisor doesn’t require a Ceremony domain action to designate as does a Lieutenant.
Originally posted by Osprey@Oct 29 2003, 08:13 PM
[b] [quote]-Some sort of Raid Province action could be very useful.
I emphatically agree, although this might be better detailed in Chapter 6 (War). I would love to see the pillaging rules adapted to better accomodate the effect of raiding and looting by non-occupying forces. This allows the problems of bandits and humanoid raiders (such as those from the Spiderfell or Five Peaks) to be much more relevant. [/b][/quote]
Raid Province action
would thet action not be able to all law holding in a province.
I think:
law holdings can only protect the provience to the level rate the law holding.
one active unit in a province counts as one law holding when detemring raide sucsess
So rading sucsess could be 10 + law holdings or units protecting - raid strengt
raid strengh can then be counted as some combanation of Esp/ units/ intimidation skilles/ and suchs.
on related notes.
I feel like guild and temple holdings sould not be reduced when a prov is raide unless the regent holding them likes to. alowing them to hold the level of there holdings for several turns with the cost of 1GB per turn per level above the prov. lv. (could also be used for law)
then if this is done it sould be easyer to rule the prov up at later time.
First, I would like to see the diplomacy action get it’s own sidebar. For new players it would be very helpful to see a few examples of diplomatic actions. It may also be helpful to give info for the DM with some tips on how to keep this open-ended choice in check. For example, when do you require a diplomatic actions vs. a court action? I’ve assumed I can have my court send a missive requesting an audience to get somebody to come to me, and then I spend my diplomacy action actually receiving them and having a parley. For things that one might do with diplomacy, I’m not sure sure how you guys play but for me it’s anything from making deals on who can rule and build where to military alliances. You all know more than I do here about what you’ve used this action for since you’ve played tons more games than me, but you still might list a few.
A few guidelines on how it works (a little behind the curtain) would also be ideal. I use a system much like the computer game since it’s easy for me to interpret. I establish a base reaction to the PCs from the other side, which is default 50%, or a DC things will go well for a reasonable request. Then I tweak based on alignment, so you get +/- 5 for ethical (law/cha) and +/- 10 for moral. As a unique circumstance, the penalty is doubled (but not the bonus) when your alignments are totally opposite (LG vs. CE). Anyway, so then they have a base DC and they work from there with role-play, regency, and gold to get what they want across. I’m sure purists will hate this idea, but for people who want to make it easy I’ve found it helpful.
Second, I’d like to see an example of domain play. I mean 3-4 pages detailing a whole turn, sort of how in the core handbooks for D&D they have that campy session with the made-up characters. It’s a groaner, but if you’ve never played BR or the computer game I think it would be a LIFESAVER for new people.
Examples are one thing that will be included extensivley in the revision of the rules. Your idea about an entire example domain turn is also a possiblity. I should warn you though, it may take some time for this revision to be completed…
Heh, that’s certainly true Raesene. But… could you just use a PBEM turn? Then it’s already documented… or maybe that’s not a good example. Still, it might be neat to see one as I’ve wondered how it works.