This entry has been revised, and is now posted in the Writer’s Guild under the name “Workings of Magic”.
Perhaps I missed what is wrong with the original way magic worked?!
Well, it actually worked fine with 2ed
Maybe its just me liking to tweak the rules here and there…
Couple of things I never liked:
- Elves always seemed very druidish in their approach to magic. Still, druids use divine magic so thats out of the question.
- But wait! Rangers also use divine magic - elves can’t be rangers either. Either that or a major inconsistency.
- Priests of Erik are druids. Thus they thrive on temple holdings. Yet they try to keep province levels down. Does that make sense?
- Why are there a lot of empty sources in Rjurik?
etc.
etc.
Changing druidic magic from divine to arcane just makes sense to me. In fact, nature and mebhaighl is two sides of the same coin. Very strange if druids, who “worship” nautre, should be unable to tap it.
Solution:
- Elves can be druids and rangers
- Priests of Erik can be mulitclass druid/clerics - thus making it logical to want both sources and temples.
- Explains the mpty sources in Rjurik - the druids have them…
A)
psy isn’t magic
B) three realm of magic…mentalism, channeling, essence..oh my god it’s Rolemaster RPG…
C) i agree with you and not…druid can believe in elemental force of nature not in deities ( ref complete manuel of priest ) and justifed Rjurik nation and permited effectively elf to become ranger etc… ok, but druid can also believe in deities ! It’s just a vision of the world by DM, it’s all…
A) Wheter or not you want to call Psionics magic or not depends. To me, its just another weird form of manipulating the world…
B) Oh no! Next: Magic Missile Criticals, Moving Maneuvers for Orogs in chain shirts!!!
C) Yes indeed, its only a matter of how you look at the world.
The Druids holding the sources makes sense since its like the natural “force of life” etc. however they are from the priest class which would get their power from a god.
confusing situation.
Yes, exactly. That is why I propose changing druidic magic to arcane. Then there would be no connection to the gods.
Elves could then be druids, and you can even incorporate some ‘sidhelien’ spirituality’ if you want. As for priests of Erik, they could multiclass into cleric/druids.
I would hate to see druids lose their cleric status since they have been tied to gods for all these years. However, what if druids casted both kinds of magic due to all the arguments you have made plus the fact they are tied to a god. Or does that make druids too powerful? Why do elves have to be druids? You seem to be stuck on that issue.
Elves don’t HAVE to be druids. It just that I think the druid spell list and abilities are perhaps more in line with the nature of the sidhelien - connection to nature, the elements etc. Also, elves should still be able to be sorcerers and possibly wizards - I’m just looking for a way to lik druids to elves without linking elves to the gods.
There could very well be druids who are also connected to the gods. You could give druids of Erik 1/2 temple and 1/2 source regency. Elves should stick with full source though.
Why couldn’t an elf become a druid and pray to Erik? I know that the Birthright rulebook indicated that Cerilian Elves do not have gods but it doesn’t give an explanation. The 3e rules indicate there is a god of the elves and that they also follow the god of the forest (becoming druids) and some pray to other gods according to alignment. With the attachment that elves have to the forest why would they not become attached to a god of the forest?
No reason, except its very “unCerilian”. The Sidhelien do not worship gods. Most likely they are unable to.
How can they be unable to pray to them? Do the gods not speak their language? Perhaps the gods won’t listen to them because they are still angry about them originally being against them in the Great Battle. However, I could not see Erik staying mad at them long given the attachment they have to his realm! I still am looking for a good explanation.
The Sidhelien have never worshiped any gods. Why would they start now? There has to be a reason; either they can’t or they won’t. Either way, elves don’t worship…
I don’t buy that! There is no explanation of why they haven’t worshiped a god. You mean to tell me there is no chance what-so-ever that an elf was converted to worship Erik. I don’t see a reason as to why that chance would be eliminated.
Orginally posted by Lord Eldred
I don’t buy that! There is no explanation of why they haven’t worshiped a god. You mean to tell me there is no chance what-so-ever that an elf was converted to worship Erik. I don’t see a reason as to why that chance would be eliminated.
I wouldn’t fully eliminate the possibility of a few rogue elves worshiping gods, but as a whole I veiw them as shunning the human’s gods as much as shunning the humans who ruin their lands.
Other than Erik I wasn’t really arguing that elves would worship human gods. I am arguing they would worship their own god as indicated in the 3e rules or whatever entity created them in Birthright.
Are you sure that the sidhelien were created by a god? Maybe they just evolved 
I just can’t see why elves would need human gods for all of a sudded. Why Erik, why not Haelyn, just because Erik likes nautre dosn’t mean he’ll have any appela to the elves. On the contrary, Reynir’s druids surely helped kill just as many elves during the Hunt as Anduria’s Clerics. Erik’s followers are not any more friendly with the elves either.
I would think the sidhelien as a spiritual people, but not worshiping any gods.
Perhaps they did evolve as some would argue we have on earth yet we still worship a god. IF they did have a creator why wouldn’t they worship him/her? No one seems to want to answer this question.
As far as human gods, I think that they would be rarely worshiped and you are right there is just as much chance that the God worship is Haelyn. I would think Elves that have left there homes to live with humans would have a chance to be converted to any god. As far as Erik is concerned his concern for nature would be an appeal, perhaps he directly appeared to some elves to get them to convert.
I still don’t like it and can’t find anything to support such a view. The sidhelien are very different from other races, and should be portrayed accordingly. All this talk of gods and creatuors and worship hold no meaning for them IMO.
I have to admitt though, that I to have allowed some elves to worship gods. This happened under some very special circumstances. The elves in question all renounced their immortality and many of their other powers to in effect become mortals. This then allowed them to worship gods and also enjoy an afterilfe when they died.
So I’m not COMPLETELY against the idea of worshipin’ elves 
Sorry to go off topic but can somebody please tell me what IMO means?