The reason I like the search engine method, is that it will show that there is already a page for Aubrae Avan. Another reason I like to use the search engine is that if someone else has referred to my subject, in this case Aubrae, on another page, I want to look at those pages and see what’s already been written. I may want to add it, edit it, or link to it.
I would also advise looking at the potential category to see how similar articles are entitled and laid out. For instance, if you were going to write-up an awnshegh, you’d check the Category for Awnsheghlien. That should help you with consistency.
That makes sense Kenneth - I’ve done quite a lot of converting other people’s stuff so other pages on the same subject wasn’t an issue - but being able to copy the base page for formatting and so on was. Uploading Rasene Andu’s Aduria for example (part done like so many other things) went a lot more quickly by creating the index, then doing one realm slowly, then using that one realm as a template for all the others.
That said using realm / character / etc templates is key to keep the overall format anyway.
I just whated to make it clere it is very unlikely I would be converting my games to 4e I would hope the infomation for the 3.5 dose not disapere under the rush for 4e?
I’ve added a link on the main page of the wiki for the 4e conversion - it can be made more prominent later.
http://www.birthright.net/brwiki/index.php/4e_conversion_draft
As I haven’t finished reading 4e yet the index and template will probably need a lot of work - make your own changes or let me know. 
Getters: as far as I am aware nothing is going to be deleted on the site - and any conversion will take months minimum to get past the arguing stage - so don’t worry, 3.5e isn’t going anywhere. 
The 3.5 rules are definitely not going anywhere and I think it is highly unlikely that the number of 4th Ed pages will even be noticeable for weeks to come.
How wont to play simplified version of WOW on monopoly board. Not me. The Grate Wizards are in deep tumble (i mean trouble). this 4th e is for retarded - yo-gi-oh kid players. Money destroyed D&D and our beloved Birthright. Until they bankrupt and give right for publishing to this site and Funs at all. I am going to CP 2020 world.
I will play memorial Birthright session using 3.5 “THE grate job” conversion once a year
Goodbye comrades (& D&D) till 5th edition.
Me im getting off, been playing a long time. and no more conversions for me or new books 3.5 is my last stop. I have a small fortune in material’s and magazines and many many other things so Bon Voyage!
Be real careful with how any 4th ed material is presented on the wiki (and these boards).
WoTC has made it real clear that the SRD for 4th ed will not be the same structure. It will be more of a writers guide but essentially no real mechanics. So it is impossible to play the game without the books now.
It is also impossible (from a legal perspective) to write “conversion” or “update” of BR too.
We (this site and mail serv) has now “lost” its “official” status. WoTC made that clear in an e-mail to the “official” site owners (and that Arjan shared quite a while ago. Therefor we no longer have the “protection” when it comes to 4th ed material.
So as far as I understand it - any 4th ed material posted (other than “discussions” on how someone would theoretically go about it) is pretty much “illegal now”.
And since the “SRD” (or its equivalent will not be posted by WotC until later this year it is far too early to even attempt a “project”.
I did get my books last week and have quickly browsed through them. In general I like it, but I am still not sold on the “selling” of the 4th ed system and how it interalates with anyone trying to publish (or post) things. Pretty much you can either support 3.5 or 4th ed but not both under the same “licence”.
Once the SRD (or its equivalent) comes out IMO people can post specific NPCs (and such) that meet the 4th ed mechanics but they can’t post 4th ed mechanics in their documents. Which will cause all kinds of issues in the future IMO.
Be real, real careful on what getws posted on the Wiki with regard to 4th ed material. I don’t want this site (and Arjan) to end up on the wrong end of WotC’s ire.
the answer to that then is dont. Keep the site complaty 3ed that why you dont viloute any laws of coperight.
It should be noted that most of the new content of the Wiki is generally about locations/provinces etc., which is pretty much system-independent, and regents and their families, which could be entered as AD&D or D&D3,and later converted. In these two areas, the more the merrier. I feel that the larger the “atlas” part of the setting, the more attractive it will be to people (especially since politics is such a key part of Birthright).
The question really is whether we are a bit premature discussing rule updating before the SRD is released?
Sorontar.
Let’s think about what the wiki is for. Its not a way for people to play the game without buying the core books. That’s not our job, and trying to do that job is both silly and would be the kind of thing that would irk WOC.
Our job is to describe the BR setting. If there is no change between the core material and what happens in Cerilia, we need not discuss the topic. In many cases, because the 3.x rules were so open, setting publishers were tempted to make a stand-alone game using core materials. WOC doesn’t want that to happen any more. Good. I don’t want to spend my time explaining how rituals work. Our mission is to fill a gap that is left because WOC never picked up the BR setting after TSR was purchased. The locations, characters, histories, and special rules that exist only for this setting are the purpose we have before us.
If we make BR accessible to the 4th edition, by writing up characters in the new format, we drive sales of the core books and we help WOC.
If we explain how saving throws work, what an at-will power is, how spells work, then we are doing the job of the core books and suppressing sales.
If we stick to describing the setting, we are, as Sorontar has said, mostly system independent. Going totally system independent wouldn’t be hard at all. To the extent that we mention 4e at all, it should be in a way that assumes you need the core books to play the game.
Every published BR product says:
This domain sourcebok is an accessory for the BIRTHRIGHT campaign setting. You or your Dungeon Master need the BIRTHRIGHT boxed set to play as well as the AD&D Players Handbook and Dungeon Master’s Guide.
Well, this site is what passes for the boxed set these days, and we still should require that no matter what game system you’re using, you have the materials, because that’s not what we provide.
Completely agreed. As long as the conversion doesn’t take out the need of the Corebooks you aren’t doing anything that will make Wizards angry.
In the ENWorld forums there’s a 40+ pages thread where people are posting power cards to download with the full text of the Players Handbook ripped and nothing has happened yet (and it’s quite hard to miss that big thread :p).
I’ve leafed through the Core books and that Keep adventure now and there is no denying that the game is well thought through, and balance-wise it may be a great leap forward. But that said it also reminds me very much about about a computer game (WoW comes to mind) - it all very smooth and epic and cinematic and whatnot.
I’m not entirely convinced that 4ed is a good fit for BR - at least not without major changes…and those 2ed die-hards that didn’t want 3E in the first place…4ed is even worse
I was taking to Trithemius about conversion just this morning, and he doesn’t even thing D&D is the right system, let alone 4e the best edition. Clearly this is a matter of taste, and hopefully, everyone can find something to enjoy in BR. 4e’ers too.
Off-topic, but I’m really tired of hearing the WoW thing 
If you want to compare DnD combat to a computer game, please at least compare it to Guild Wars, a game about teamplay, not to WoW, a game about soloing during 2345623 hours and where everyone goes his own way on a Battleground because working together or doing the idiot or doing nothing just gives the same rewards 
Someone burned out on WoW? I hear what you are saying about it and I have been playing it far longer than I care to admit. The battlegrounds and Arena is a very broken part to the game.
The simple idea of needing tank, healer, DPS is copied to some degree in 4th edition. In WOW the tank has abilities to keep aggro on him, in 4th edition fighters and paladin can mark enemies almost forcing them to attack them. Healer is a healer in both but 4th Edition improved on the idea by making healers be able to do lots of stuff other than healing. Striker certainly falls into the DPS spot. Doing lots of burst damageon one target.
But there is where the comparisons should end. 4th edition really doesn’t have anything else in common with WOW.
What I don’t about the comparison is that it it typically noted as a bad thing. And when people say it they are saying that 4th edition is like a video game, which really is doing it a diservice. A lot of thought and balance was but into this edition.
-BB
And yet it is and was designed with that in mind.
Respawning/refreshing, per combat abilities etc. are all inspired by PC (and console) games. It is a fact and trying to dismiss that is really a waste of time.
Now that does not mean it is bad, it only means that is true.
Personally there is a lot of things I don’t like about the 4th ed concepts but there are a lot of things I do like.
And for the final comparison to see what WotC’s intent really was take a look at the DI and virtual table top game. IMO it was designed to lure PC gamers and will most likely fail in the long run due to the limitations of the system and the fact that it just can’t keep up with the “quality” of the PC games.
Nope WotC had a clear market in mind with these changes and that marker was the video gamers. Again this has nothing to do with how well the game is designed only the focus and market that was in mind when it was being done.
True I have too agree that it does remain me of an console rpg, but if they do the source books right they can expand on the concepts going more/combination of what traditional rpg’ers think as well as mmo players expect in an rpg.
Take one simple little thing like classes…the Fighter is still the Fighter, right? No, he is not. Not just the fighter, but every class (perhaps save the old primary spellcasters) are MUCH more fantastic than before. Hey, I think the 4ed Fighter is pretty cool, but the only BR campaign that he’ll fit into is my EPIC campaign (and barely even that). The BR fighter to me is a professional soldier or some such…but the 4ed one is a console-fighter-type. Not a bad thing, but not very BR. And that really bothers me.