>
> There was one other force present at Diesmar, Azrai’s original progeny,
the
> humans from the Adurian empires. What happened to them? It would seem
> only logical that equal amounts of blood were spilled on both sides, so
> wouldn’t it stand to reason that there are several blooded scions
tromping
> around Aduria, probably mostly awnsheghlien.
>
I can’t remember exactly where I read this, so don’t quote me here. Aduria
is a collection of kingdoms, similar to Anuire (of course - Aduria would
have been the Anuirean blueprint) with an emperess ruling over all. In
general, the rulers and realms are evil tyrants, oppresing the people.
Reminds me of Ghoere and Osoerde. Remember that most of the stock
Anuireans, Brechts, Rjurik and Vos came from Aduria, and would have brought
a lot of their culture with them. So, don’t expect Aduria to be that much
different from Cerilia. As well, Azrai worship seems to be more accepted
and centralized (state sanctioned?) than in Cerilia.
I just finished reading the Belgariad by David Eddings (can’t believe it
took me this long to pick it up). Definitely good source material.
On the Adurian idea:
What I’ve come up with is a landmass following the cardsheet in the boxed
set pretty closely. The culture is more similar to Anuruire than anything
else, but has it’s own flair, and alot more history. There are several
states, most as large as fully three of the great duchies combined, and a
few empires ruled nominally by powerful rulers.
When the 5 tribes left Aduria, they were just that, tribes (or so I
gather). I’ve allways thought that the Adurians had their own cultures
that were probably as diverse.
Worship of serveral gods very different from the Cerilian pantheon is
enforced and sanctioned, including Azrai (I have yet to decide if the
priests get spells or not).
Since no one has responded:
Does anyone else think it might be possible that Azrai might have survived
Diesmar? In Ruins of Empire there is reference to a church named the Hand
of Azrai, and I could swear that the archpriest was a spell-caster of some
kind.
> Does anyone else think it might be possible that Azrai might have survived
> Diesmar? In Ruins of Empire there is reference to a church named the Hand
> of Azrai, and I could swear that the archpriest was a spell-caster of some
> kind.
The church in the Gorgon’s Crown is run by a mysterious woman, and
the church (or the woman) is called the Hand of Azrai. I think, since
the Gorgon is Azrai’s champion - his right hand man if you will -
this could be some Gorgon-worship cult. I don’t know whether they
would still get priest powers, or if they did, whether tjose powers
might come form Kriesha or Belenik indirectly. Remember the Gorgon
would have killed both those gods and stolen their bloodline, but he
hasn’t figured out a way to bring them to Cerilia yet.
John Rickards
“He who is looking for something has lost something.”
“And he who is not looking?”
“He gets run over.”
zero wrote:
>On the Adurian idea:
>
>What I’ve come up with is a landmass following the cardsheet in the
boxed
>set pretty closely. The culture is more similar to Anuruire than
anything
>else, but has it’s own flair, and alot more history. There are several
>states, most as large as fully three of the great duchies combined, and
a
>few empires ruled nominally by powerful rulers.
>
>When the 5 tribes left Aduria, they were just that, tribes (or so I
>gather). I’ve allways thought that the Adurians had their own cultures
>that were probably as diverse.
>
>Worship of serveral gods very different from the Cerilian pantheon is
>enforced and sanctioned, including Azrai (I have yet to decide if the
>priests get spells or not).
>
>Since no one has responded:
>
>Does anyone else think it might be possible that Azrai might have
survived
>Diesmar? In Ruins of Empire there is reference to a church named the
Hand
>of Azrai, and I could swear that the archpriest was a spell-caster of
some
>kind.
>
I like your ideas about Aduria. Care to share?
I believe I read in the Bloode Enemies book that the Apocalypse is said
to be the dying breath of Azrai which has taken on a life of it’s own and
drifts about the continent trying to find Azrai’s remains. I think you can
imagine what might happen then… But this gives me the idea that
churches to Azrai may yet still be able to draw priestly power from a portion of
Azrai that still lives. Perhaps not the “Breath” of Azrai, but perhaps
there is something of him hidden somewhere that “lives” and gathers power
from it’s followers and in return grants them spells. You might consider,
therefore, limiting priests of Azrai to a certain level by reason that
Azrai has been so terribly weakened by Deismaar (interesting name, that–I
believe it literally translates to Death of Gods or Gods’ Death). By the
way, the Hand of Azrai is not the only church of Azrai in Cerilia! Check
out Havens of the Great Bay (Kiergaard) and I believe there are some
humanoid shamans to Azrai…
Yep, I’ve been brewing new campaign ideas about a great quest to prevent
the return of Azrai to full power. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAhahahahahaha
:::cough::hack::
>Does anyone else think it might be possible that Azrai might have survived
>Diesmar? In Ruins of Empire there is reference to a church named the Hand
>of Azrai, and I could swear that the archpriest was a spell-caster of some
>kind.
It may be possible that some of Azrai’s power is left. I for one think that
the Cold Rider in the shadow world is either a weakened fraction of Azrai
essence or one of his avatars that somehow survived. He was after all the
strongest of all of the gods so he may be on his way back. My current
campaign is a mad scramble by the PC’s to try and stop him from doing so.
>>Does anyone else think it might be possible that Azrai might have survived
>>Diesmar? In Ruins of Empire there is reference to a church named the Hand
>>of Azrai, and I could swear that the archpriest was a spell-caster of some
>>kind.
>
>It may be possible that some of Azrai’s power is left. I for one think that
>the Cold Rider in the shadow world is either a weakened fraction of Azrai
>essence or one of his avatars that somehow survived. He was after all the
>strongest of all of the gods so he may be on his way back. My current
>campaign is a mad scramble by the PC’s to try and stop him from doing so.
>
>Michael
>
For one, the Hand of Azrai, as far as i can tell, is just a small church,
mainly maintained by the Gorgon (correct me if i’m wrong). Anyway, this is
not the first time a dead god’s portfolio has been assimilated by another.
Remember what happened in Toril after the time of troubles. Cyric gave
Bane’s clerics spells even to fight his clerics.
As for the Cold Rider, I do not see how a single avatar could survive. It
is, however, a very interesting idea. I believe Azrai just died, and the
LOst are the last fragments of his power. The Cold Rider is probably just a
small god from another plane.
Azrai is dead. It is the reason the blood derivation exists…
Now there could be a blood power nobody knows of that allows the scion or
abomination to give spell to priests who worship them. That is what I think is
happening with the Serpent and maybe happening with the Gorgon..
Can the serpent grant priest spells? I am not usre of that or if they are some kind of other
ability. The serpent has the reputation of a god, but i think it is just a reputation.
And i think the idea that the Gorgon might be able to grant spells is out of the question.
Why would he? Blooded characters are NOT even in the least gods. And remember,
regardless of the effect he has had on Anuire, the GOrgon is but a mere child to the Lost,
Azrai’s true children and followers.
>Now there could be a blood power nobody knows of that allows the scion or
>abomination to give spell to priests who worship them. That is what I think is
>happening with the Serpent and maybe happening with the Gorgon..
Now, there COULD be such a power. BUt After all, the Gorgon has no delusions of
divinity, and he is not worshiped. The Hand of Azrai does not perform its rituals for the
GOrogn, but rather the Gorgon participates in its rituals which honour Azrai.
Churches can exist without active gods, or another god may be giving them the spells
they need. Look at the cases of Dark Sun and Forgotten Realms respectivelly.
> >Now there could be a blood power nobody knows of that allows the
> scion or
> >abomination to give spell to priests who worship them. That is what
> I think is
> >happening with the Serpent and maybe happening with the Gorgon..
>
> Now, there COULD be such a power. BUt After all, the Gorgon has no
> delusions of
> divinity,
why don’t you ask him, I don’t think the Gorgon would turn it down…
> and he is not worshiped. The Hand of Azrai does not perform its
> rituals for the
> GOrogn, but rather the Gorgon participates in its rituals which honour
> Azrai.
Gorgon honours no one. He is the master of the Crown and would very much
likemore.
> Churches can exist without active gods, or another god may be giving
> them the spells
> they need. Look at the cases of Dark Sun and Forgotten Realms
> respectivelly.
>
well this ain’t Dark Sun or FR, but I do have to agree. How bout that
church of Vosgaardthat is not only un-owned but worships a culture…
wierd.
At 01:06 AM 5/16/97 +0200, Hatzitaskos(gandalf@ath.forthnet.gr)wrote:
>
>
>Churches can exist without active gods, or another god may be giving them
the >spells they need. Look at the cases of Dark Sun and Forgotten Realms
>respectivelly.
>
And don’t forget the two major religions of Mystara are Philosophies, and
have nothing to do with Gods. It is possible that a person’s faith may grant
them the ability to tap in to the universe and use its power, without any
divine assisstance. And I believe thats whats happening with the followers
of the Serpent.
“War is a matter of vital importance to the State;
the province of life or death;
the road to survival or ruin.
It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied.”
-Sun Tzu,(The Art of War)-
I’ve been thinking. Has anybody here tried a campaign where the PC’s are
trying to bring back Azrai???
You see some of the guys in my groop whant to make an Elf group that has
that as it’s primary goal! Yep! They want to bring back the bad guy! So I
woundered if anybody has tried this, if so then how did it go??
I read in abominations of Cerilia( I think! ) about the Gorgon.
In that story he claimes that HE choose not to become a GOD ( He was Azrai’s 3
champion, or so he says ! ) because he wanted basicly to rule all of Cerilia.
If this is true, who knows, then others may also have choosen to remain. But
these may still be able to give there followers cleric spells.
> I’ve been thinking. Has anybody here tried a campaign where the
>PC’s are
>trying to bring back Azrai???
> You see some of the guys in my groop whant to make an Elf group
>that has
>that as it’s primary goal! Yep! They want to bring back the bad guy! So I
>woundered if anybody has tried this, if so then how did it go??
>
>Any other comments are always welcome!
Actually… no.
But in my campaign, my wizard wants to bring back a dead god too. He’s
after Basaia. Well, my DM believes the bloodstone legend is not just a
legend, and it makes quite some sense too. Basaia though is the only god on
which it is plausible that this might happen. All the other’s bloodstones
are scattered like hell.
If Azrai came back, or how he would… well, no idea yet, sorry. I’ll hink
of sth and tell u.
>Who are the Lost, and where are they mentioned? I don’t remember seeing
>them…
>Richard
The Lost are Azrai’s true champions. I am not sure where they are
mentioned, but i do know they exist and they are official. You see, we are
running a campaign right now where we have to find them and stop some
devilish plot to take over Cerilia. So my DM is a bit reluctant to let me
in in info about them. But i will tell you as soon as i learn more. I think
the Raven is one of the Lost. My DM once told me he had found 2 that were
straightly called Lost, and another which was implied.
> I read in abominations of Cerilia( I think! ) about the Gorgon.
>In that story he claimes that HE choose not to become a GOD ( He was
>Azrai’s 3
>champion, or so he says ! ) because he wanted basicly to rule all of Cerilia.
>If this is true, who knows, then others may also have choosen to remain. But
>these may still be able to give there followers cleric spells.
>
>It’s just a tought.
>
>EAJ
Actually, the Gorgon could NOT become a god, because of his great hatred of
mankind. Wouldn’t make sense to create a god that would destroy his
followers, eh? Anyway,he had all the qualifications and he WAS Azrai’s
champion, though not yet one of the Lost. He was close enough to the blast
to become a god, but he just couldn’t become one.
>Yes, maybe the Gorgon honour no Man, and is a worshiper of Azrai. But I
>don’t now why he remember me that typical guy that serve his lord blindly
>but when only they two are yet living and his lord says to him: “Well, we
>have no more enemyes”, he answers: “I have another one…”.
>Nadastor, Wizard of the Black Robes
Yes, perhaps. But it never got to that. The gorgon wanted the throne and
the destruction of humankind. If Azrai gave him that, i still think he
would be content to rule as a tyrant over Cerilia. But even if he didn’t,
the whole thing didn’t go that far. Azrai just died, and the Gorgon still
wants him back, to help him strike at his enemies.
I rather see the Gorgon as this most-powerful guy that though he sees far,
he just doesn’t see far enough.
As Gandalf said about Sauron, “a wise fool…”
