One problem some players have with Birthright is that it focuses more on role play than collection of treasure. What should D & D be about Fun or Greed?
Fun most definietly.
Power and wealth is great, but should not be the only reason for gathering to play a game - D&D in particular. There are just too many other ways to play and enjoy the game. Unlike Monopoly or Risk, the ‘winner’ is often times harder to diferentiate. Is it the guy with the most magic items and most complex formula for his BAB??
Personally, I think this guy would be the looser - especially in a Birthright game.
Take Carilon Alam; a 2nd Level regent. He’s a big time player in the political tapestry, as big (if not bigger) than the 10 - 12 leveled fighter regents. Alam’s BAB is much worse than Tael’s for example, but I think Alam might be even more dangerous than the Iron Baron. You don’t get that sort of dynamic in a standard FR campaign for example.
In short - power and presitge comes in many forms. Explore the possibilites. Expand your scope of thought, and re-evalute your concept of what a Role Playing game is really about. The more you imagine, the better chance you have of being hte winner.
Oooo ahhhH!!! Zen (or is it “Xen”??)
I must now go and meditate…
So far the fun is winning 
Maybe it is in the way I wrote the poll 
Hmm if you want to win you must play an other game than DND. I am in it for the FUN and my players are in it for the fun to.
Players compare the characters with each other and some are better then the others. 
noone honest enough to admit they like to play for the collection of material goods?
It all depends on the character that I play and the goals I set for them, but regardless my personal goal is fun
Magian, I am not talking about your characters. We all have charaters that we have played that have been greedy. That is part of the fun of roleplaying but have you had the player who is so greedy for their character they cheat. Since I am all about the role playing and not about trying to win (which there is no way (unless you are in tournament) but I have seen players who think there are winners and losers), I have had a problem with people who give their characters stuff that they didn’t get in game play. That is what this thread is about!
Greatfully the players in my group like to play for the fun of it, not to gather a horde of goodies, though they try. But I have played with one person who liked to cheat on his dice rolls, but the DM knew so nasty things kept happening to that guys characters.
Personally, I prefer to play for fun and character achievement. Character achievement is of course different from character to character, and that can sometime mess up a game if the dm doesn’t learn to adapt. But that’s all part of the fun, isn’t it?
Then you know what I am talking about! This guy wasn’t cheating on his die roles. He just kept having stuff that I had no idea where he gotten it from so I had a group of thieves steal the magic weapons that I couldn’t trace or the magic spell he was using that I didn’t know he researched just fizzled out. It took care of the “cheating” by compensating for it but then the guy thought I was picking on him and thus he quit. I guess it all worked out in the end.
I agree with you that all worked fine in the end. Some of my players(particularly one major power-monger) find hard to stomach my policy of “If the dm(me) doesn’t know about something, it doesn’t exist, never happened and cannot work.” Its kind of a draconic measure, but I’ve had harsh problems with players stating things retroactively(“An ogre, uh? You know, its likely my character would have listened to the door before opening it.”) or me having to say “Uh? Your character can do that?”. Well, no didn’t, no can’t. If you can’t think of it when its the time to say it, too bad, and if you don’t trust me enough not to make some “bad dming” (i.e. stepping in to prevent you from doing something legit on a fiat), then why the hell are you still playing with me?
Na, players shouldn’t be doing this, they shouldn’t HAVE to be doing this. And if they do, that’s a major problem for me.
Lord Eldred said:
Magian, I am not talking about your characters. We all have charaters that we have played that have been greedy. That is part of the fun of roleplaying but have you had the player who is so greedy for their character they cheat. Since I am all about the role playing and not about trying to win (which there is no way (unless you are in tournament) but I have seen players who think there are winners and losers), I have had a problem with people who give their characters stuff that they didn’t get in game play. That is what this thread is about!
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I think my post touched on this even though your original question had nothing so specific to lead me in that direction.
I just reread your post and I don’t know why I mentioned your name in my last post. I just get caught in the passion of the argument!
I think half the fun is opposing greed.
I understand Lord Eldred it means you really like the game which proves to me that TSR screwed up by not continuing it because it is not dead.
Birthright lives in the hearts of all who have become members of this site. Now if we could only get Wizards of the Coast to realize the big mistake that TSR made by not continuing on with this world!
Who needs Wizards?
We have each other.
Thanks for the sentiment Magian, but until you get that Touch of Decay bloodpower fixed… I’m not giving you a hug.
Aww come on Lawgiver…give Magian a hug…it won’t hurt you!
No, No… By all means you first… I insist.