I think limiting the amount of times in a particular period an Elven Regent can rule province is as appropriate as giving them a small penalty for attempting it. Another possibility is a limit on province level. The elves may be strong but they would have trouble building their numbers up to a large amount. Elves as a culture (at least in Cerilia) are not very cohesive and a large city of them would be a very odd sight.
The Former Osric Ilien
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heres a thougth.
if we put a counter on rule provience, thet you add to your die roll with everything else you migth have, agenst a wery hig DC based on the race populaiting the prov. then if we like a lower DC, we can always import a difrent race. 
But what I would like to see is somehow a difrence betvine
A: a non-province land, (sutable for the create province action)
B: province with only source holdings
C: tribse living of Source versus, nomansland
IM mostly thinking this for the PHP script Im writing.
how would create province afect the land.
Im also thinking of a variant where there are difrent typse of provience acording to race/purpuse.
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Im off to bed :ph34r:
There’s a good point in there:
Can a source regent use the source of an area that hasn’t been “created” as if it were a Level 0 province? I would think so…
This makes the whole Create Province action a beast of a different color when we look at it in this light. To the mage or druid, such lands are all level 0 provinces with maximum source potential. Create Province is really there for landed regents who need to define the political boundaries of an area before they start imposing rulership upon it.
Originally posted by Osprey@Nov 1 2003, 06:51 PM
This makes the whole Create Province action a beast of a different color when we look at it in this light. To the mage or druid, such lands are all level 0 provinces with maximum source potential. Create Province is really there for landed regents who need to define the political boundaries of an area before they start imposing rulership upon it.
If it is a forest province and unclaimed by any regent, then maybe it would have a level 9 source potential, like if it was under the care of elves. It would be a truly pristine area unblemished by any connection to humanoids.
Seems good to me… B)
well, if it arnt a province,
lets say, there is civilization present, even more then the common tribse, lets say if unblooded people settle and build a city. but noone has spent an action to ‘create province’ and defind the boundry.
in terms this sould be land of lesser source potential. !!
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You are correct teloft, it would have to be both unclaimed and have a province level of 0.
How can something have province level
if it is unclaimed
thet is dos not have bounderys
or is not a provience
or has not been maid into a provience with the ‘create provience action’
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It seems to me like a civilization should be able to exist without, without their being bloodlines. Someone could occupy an area either through troops or with law holdings and collect taxes, just not regency. This area would have a province level and act as a political and economic unit, but would not be a province in the birthright sense of being mystically owned by a blooded regent.
Or for a human settlment to work propperly
the land must fyrst be broken
by the hand of god
or somone as powerfull, like the regent
thet has the essence of god within him.
Or the create prov, is a GB action,
it creates a small local court
where mater of settlements are handled.
maters like, how much sould the head of this family pay the head of the other family, for the son of the fyrst family killed a son of the second family. and petty maters like thet. the court of the people.
thees courts funktion as a bridge betvine the tribes and the settlements.
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One could rule thet difrent races usualy have so difrent way of cultuvating the land, thet a provience of humans needs fyrst to be totaly destroyed and uncreated in order for elves to clame there land as there own, and create a elven prov.
creating an elven prov usualy takse long time, where the elves have to rearange the forrests, or grow them. and use magic to align them with there nature. in order to coexsist with the wild life, and gaining regeneration when in thet forrest.
while dwarfen regions can be under ground, thay still need the food from above the ground. thay could if willing alow somone else to rule the fields but would invade if somone would cut there food suply, reclaming there fields.
Halfling Province is something of the shadow world. and it is mistery how one thing like thet would look like here.
the raceial type of province is not realy conected to the race itselfe, but rather there way of life. well, some races can have difrent ways of life, like elfs, begin imune to time and so.
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From: “The Jew” <brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:04 PM
> It seems to me like a civilization should be able to exist without,
> without their being bloodlines.
It is totally possible to use the BR system to represent other forms of
legitimacy. However governments argue for their legitimacy, ultimatly they
must make such a case. In a game setting one`s ability to command political
authority will ultimatly be reduced so a score which will function very much
like the blood score.
Kenneth Gauck