Are there any GOOD BRPBEMs out there? Everything I see is either always on hiatus, or simply neglected.
Anybody have any good recommendations?
Perhaps define GOOD?
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HarlGraystorm wrote:
Are there any GOOD BRPBEMs out there? Everything I see is either
always on hiatus, or simply neglected.Anybody have any good
recommendations?
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Good being one that is active and won’t die after 2 weeks. :o)
HarlGraystorm Im looking for few more players.
Go to http://land.vortex.is/forum/
PBeMs seem to come and go in waves. There’ll be a period of time when there’s several underway or just getting started… even if they don’t make it past the first turn. And then there’ll be a period of time when there’s almost nothing. We seem to be at the low point of that. There might be a total of 3 or 4 games going on right now.
Ruins of Empire is still running, and shows no signs of dying anytime
soon.
The game has run continously from the Autumn of 2000, and is currently
starting on the 29th turn. The game is not currently seeking new
players, but that may change in the future.
Cheers
Bjørn
After finishing a 50turn Anuirean campaign we have started anew in Khinasi…
Currently in turn 8 and always accepting players
Originally posted by A_dark@Dec 15 2003, 09:00 AM
Currently in turn 8 and always accepting players
Because so many positions are hopeless!
I’ve played in LEBR 3x now. Each regent I played had a negative income each turn due to maintenance costs and no income. I quit each regent after 3 turns usually because I was bankrupt.
I’ve also felt that LEBR is run by about 5 people who know each othe really well and plot, plan, connive, and act together for their mutual benefit. If you aren’t in that group, you lose.
Just my 3 cents on that particular game.
As far as a ‘good’ PBEM, I don’t know of any. Sorry I’m not able to add to the topic.
If you would care to elaborate on these allegations, feel free to email me at azrai@spitaki.org. From my point of view, you are wrong 
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Because so many positions are hopeless!
I’ve played in LEBR 3x now. Each regent I played had a negative income each turn due to maintenance costs and no income. I quit each regent after 3 turns usually because I was bankrupt.
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I thought LeBR was one of the PBeMs following the original 2ed BR rules the closest? If not, in what ways have they changed the domains/rules so that the maintenance is too high?
(Please note, I have never participated so I am just asking out of curiosity.)
Cheers,
Don E
The Green Knight,
I looked all over for Ruins of Empire, no PBEMs of that name are currently running that I can see. Do you have a website for it?
It’s a yahoogroups-site. Thats probably why you didnt find it.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuinsofEmpire/
The site is members-only, so you`ll have to apply for membership before
you get access to it.
You can also contact the DM at:
Cheers
Bjørn
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The Green Knight,
I looked all over for Ruins of Empire, no PBEMs of that name are
currently running that I can see. Do you have a website for it?
Birthright-l Archives:
Originally posted by Don E@Dec 16 2003, 10:46 AM
I thought LeBR was one of the PBeMs following the original 2ed BR rules the closest? If not, in what ways have they changed the domains/rules so that the maintenance is too high?
Because the regents I got to play weren’t very good. 
I played law regents that didn’t own any provinces, or when they did, they didn’t have enough law holdings to generate tax income. Throw in a couple military units and court costs, and your maintenance is greater than income.
Them’s the breaks.
Yes, but that’s not the game’s fault, is it? There are always some shitty regents, but when you apply for someone so small as your picks, you should have anticipated such problems. It is also not the game’s fault or the DM’s that the other players did not help you out…
Anyways… I will reply to your email once I am done with doing turns…
Benjamin, I’ve been involved with LeBR for about 2 years now. Your initial comments about it amount pretty much to just sour grapes.
I’ve also felt that LEBR is run by about 5 people who know each othe really well and plot, plan, connive, and act together for their mutual benefit. If you aren’t in that group, you lose.
The first LeBR started with a group of University students in Leicester, England. As such, a bunch of the players in the game did know each other. However, they did not run the game. And that is not even an issue now, just as it wasn’t an issue back in the final days of LeBR 1.0 when the player for OIT pulled one of the most idiotic moves I had ever seen in a ‘role-player’.
For those that are interested in a consisten PBeM game, none has been more dependable than LeBR. It has had it’s ups and downs, of course, but it has stayed the course. Feel free to ask any of the players of LeBR 2.0 in our game forum, and I can guarantee that you’ll get honest answers, including the good and the bad.
If the players do not have controll over what resources thier domain has during generation and some domains have negative income I would not fault the players. If I choose to have many non income generating holdings then it is my funeral.
If I cannot choose my domain assets or view them before play begins, the fault lies squarely with the DM if some kingdoms have to beg for scraps form other kingdoms to survive.
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> If the players do not have controll over what resources thier domain has during generation
> and some domains have negative income I would not fault the players. If I choose to have many
> non income generating holdings then it is my funeral.
>If I cannot choose my domain assets or view them before play begins, the fault lies squarely
> with the DM if some kingdoms have to beg for scraps form other kingdoms to survive.
That depends.
In a game that tries to give each and every player a start which is
balanced against each other player, then certainly a domain as described
here would not seem balanced if other players do not have the same problems.
However if we leave the need for balance aside, as in some games players
are needed to play great kings, but also lowly guilders, magnificient
mages, but also poor hedge wizards, powerful Hierarchs of great
churches, but also the Abbot of a single temple then such a situation
could arise.
For example the computergame for Birthright: The Gorgon´s Alliance
(which very simple if using diplomacy to get non-landed regents to
become your vassals and hand over all their holdings) could be started
with a lot of VERY different regents, varying in class, bloodline
strenght, number and type of holdings, provinces and so on - depending
on which regent you would chose the game could be even more easy, or a
lot harder - the regents did not start all with the same
bloodlinestrenght or realms of exactly equal power.
Or the 2E domain generation system - it allowed you to build your own
domain by spending domain points. However the number of domain points
was a random factor depending on your bloodline Strengh which again, was
determined randomly. So characters could start with a huge difference in
domain points and thus with a huge difference in income or power of the
realms they played.
bye
Michael
Hello to all.
I am playing in LEBR game as elven wizardress.
The game is stable, it is not unbalanced as Ben suggested, it is far better than that - DMs are trying to balance the game better than the setting proposed at start!
FX: no ruling up of provinces until time passes from the last successful start.
I like it, and am learning to love it. The only thing I see as problem is that elven nations have it too rough and binding (example: no “money” per se - instead they have “goods”)
The greatest thing is the interface: Web turn report submittal. Point and click and choose the actions. Who couldn’t respond to the easiness by which I finish my report in 5 minutes?
The few players plotting together is simply a normal thing. They do not dictate DMs and you could be one of them easily.
There are several goups there and the gamestory dirt flows to the surface from time to time.
I look eagerly to the new turn9 news.
Oh, the last but foremost. Turns are almost never late. Fast, efficient, and even if the rules are being modified to be more realistic, very interesting to play.
Come and see. It really isn’t game’s fault if someone wants to play a knight owner of law holdings with a lot of units and no money to pay them. Big appetite can get you done in no time.
Rhuannach is free to take, if someone is interested.
See you around.
Mario.
Oh, this is funny.
I played in LEBR 1 and that was a good game. But the DMs in the Khinasi game play favorites. Don’t believe me. I applied for a domain and turned in my submission first but one of the DMs gave the domain to his or her (not sure) brother.
The reason I was given was that the other player was a better role-player. Funny, since I never played with these new DMs but they knew that one of their own’s brother was a better role-player. So if you want to play a game where a DM’s brother gets preferential treatment, then LEBR is for you. I just hope you are related to one of the DMs.
Otherwise, I advise everyone else to avoid the game and those DMs. I also quit playing PBEMs because (I BELIEVE) these people play as a team in other PBEMs.
I was a player in LEBR1 and the DM in question in LEBR2, so I know first hand what kind of roleplayer you were. The player selection and matching to characters process was up to me entirely and the goal was to match players to characters. It had been made perfectly clear that we were not going to use a first-apply first-get method, because in my opinion it is stupid… you cannot have people that wish to play LE/Tael style, get Khourane, because Khourane is ruled by a benevolent CG mage…
As for the DMs working together in other PBEMs, I have never played in another PBEM… at least not one that has lasted more than 1d4-1 turns, so, obviously I’ve never cooperated with someone in another game…(I have so far been in Shattered Crown as Swordmage for 1 turn and in Heavens of the Great Bay as a Kriesha priestess in the Vampire’s lands for 2 turns and in ITSODII for 0 turns as Talinie) As for cooperating with others in LEBR1 (which is the only game I’ve been in that has lasted)… I should point out that I was boeruine and by the end of the game, Boeruine was completely alienated (for his own reasons) from the rest of Anuire… His only allies were NIT (but not Talinie), his guilder, his mage and his wife (Mhistecai).
IMHO, your leaving the game was not a loss for the game, as much harsh as that may sound… As far as I know you have a tendency to be rude and agressive and agree OOC for things that should be discussed IC.